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I was officer in charge of optical

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instrumentation at Vandenberg Air Force

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Base from 1963 to 66.

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photograph that's California so right

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there on the coast

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and our job was to photograph with

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high-speed instrumentation every missile

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launched from from from Vandenberg going

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down the test range

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they wanted to find out if we could

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figure out a place to put a telescope

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where we could get a side view of the

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missile so that we could see all three

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stages of powered flight

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so I went up to Big Sur California I

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found an air on a U.S forest Service

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Road on Anderson Peak and I installed a

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telescopic site up there the Air Force

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flew in a huge cat adoptic telescope

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from the cape was built by Dr Walter

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Manning at at the Boston University they

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put to tell us the cope up there and

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with that thing with which had a focal

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length of 2500 inches we photographed an

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Atlas missile raising up out of the The

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Fog cover and flying down range we get

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all three stages of powered flight and

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as the dummy Warhead and the package

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flew on down range we were all

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celebrating the fact that we had seen a

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thing and accomplished the mission

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and I got to cut back to the base with

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the film the next day I was called into

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the office of major Florence J manzman

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and there were three people in Gray

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suits standing in there there was a 16

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millimeter camera and a screen setup

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major management said Lieutenant sit

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down and watch this and he turned down

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the lights turned on the camera on the

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projector and the film came on and I

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recognized it as the film The Weed shot

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of Big Sur the previous day

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toward the end of the flight I was

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looking at Major men saying pretty good

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stuff uh sir and and suddenly he said

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just watch this

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and as I watched the the Warhead the

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dummy Warhead the chaff that was put out

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in front of it as a decoy to to deflect

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uh the Russian anti-missile missile

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tracking radar

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everything was flying along and suddenly

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in the same direction this stuff was

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flying at about 8 000 miles an hour the

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object came into the frame shot a beam

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of light at the Warhead flew up to the

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top shot another beam of light at the

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Warhead flew around the direction it was

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flying shot another beam of light at the

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Warhead flew down to another beam of

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light at the Warhead and flew out the

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same way it came in

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why didn't you see this when you were

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shooting it

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well it was uh six 800 miles away from

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us oh I got you it's the only day

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well first of all the major management

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said to me what was that were you guys

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screwing around up there I said no sir

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and he said then tell me what that was

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and I said we got a UFO and he said

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Lieutenant you are never to speak of

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this again

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as far as you're concerned this didn't

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happen you mind if I speak Mr comedian

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go ahead I was there I was there I saw

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the film with my own eyes I'm not lying

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why would I I'm a university Professor

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with a PhD and a lot of years of good

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respectful research so

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they the guys from officer may not have

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seen the UFO but they saw the results of

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it I saw the damn thing on film with my

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own eyes so don't call me a liar and you

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weren't there and I was with all due

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respect not calling your liar it's just

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quite a step to say there's a film with

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remarkable images on it that the CIA

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yeah which quite a step from there to

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say it was definitely a spacecraft from

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another civilization that's the leap it

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was that the skeptical identity is

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reluctant to take hey pal listen to me I

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didn't say it was a spaceship from

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another civilization I said it was

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something in the air that we couldn't

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identify therefore it was an

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unidentified flying object it was shaped

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like two saucers put together with a

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golf ball on top and it fired a beam

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that we assumed was a plasma Beam at a

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dummy Warhead and knocked it out of

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space tell me what happened tell me who

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did that tell me in 1964 who had that

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technology pal not us and not the

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Russians and nobody I know of there's an

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old joke in broadcast are you gonna do

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this with baking soda and vinegar Bill

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hold on we're running out of time it's

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an old joke in broadcasting whoa It's

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like trying to photograph a car wreck

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at one time considered an impossible

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thing to do if you send out a news crew

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go let's go shoot a car wreck that was a

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joke well now routinely on the Nightly

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News we see car wrecks we see car wrecks

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on the freeway we see car wrecks behind

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us because there's because they're used

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there didn't used to be a camera

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everywhere there are millions and

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millions of cameras there are billions

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of digits taken every week you're not

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you're not saying there are no UFOs

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you're saying that haven't been proven

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I'm saying that it's quite a step to see

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something you don't know what it is in

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the sky to say that there are aliens

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they're monitoring our nuclear weapons

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Dr Jacob well I understand that now so

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you'll if you're questioning what he's

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seen no well I'm questioning his the

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conclusion that the technology did not

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exist in 1964 to produce images on film

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that the CIA would want to confiscate if

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I may well in 1974 you were trying to

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figure out what in 1964 you were trying

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to figure out the girls where I was in

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the in the service

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if I may one at a time please we've got

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two months left the other person the

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other former Air Force officer retired

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Air Force officer involved in it was

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charged with photo analysis of this film

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Florence mansman he's now deceased

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through his widow I have correspondence

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private correspondence between Dr Jacobs

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and and Dr mansman actually and 20 years

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later they are marveling over what they

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saw mansman's professional assessment at

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Vandenberg in 1964 was that this was an

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extraterrestrial craft okay so he made

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that that's correct and I can send you I

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will give CNN I'm trying to get the

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national media involved in this uh as

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much as possible I will send anyone any

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correspondent for any newspaper any

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radio station TV station any scientist

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any member of your group all of the

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original documentation where these

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gentlemen are discussing the subject 20

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years later we're gonna do a lot more on

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this because we do a lot on UFOs we